Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Beyonder can create and destroy multiverse just by thiniking. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Contributor. The time lords are at their best. 2. The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. 33. The level is set when. Femto would oneshot 100% of Marvel not even Pre-Retcon Beyonder can stop this monster, you have to be as powerful as Lucifer Morningstar to have a chance of fighting Femto but even then i would. K. 0. He doesn't actually receive any extra power from the Presence. The level is set when. Lucifer. The Tribunal wins this without even breaking a sweat. said: "Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins 10/10. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. Pre Retcon Beyonder coming to Marvel Multiverse due to curiosity is also a karma. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. Pre Retcon Beyonder sees an. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPre Retcon Beyonder feats Please read these scans before you vote. Galactus Fused 23. ago. It could be argued that the HOTU is as powerful as pre-retcon Beyonder, but even if you were to successfully argue that, it's two beings of PR-Beyonder level power against one HOTU. Takes place in the beyond verse, pre retcon beyonder has summoned his retconned versions to battle each other to. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. Aka vs the Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Keeweed; Start date Jan 2,. Also the Beyonder is whatever he decides to be. The difference in power level between the two is therefore infinity. The conversation about pre-retcon Beyonder?s power have torn down the thread about Thanos with the heart?s power. check for yourselves in the Cosmic/Abstract Bios if you wish at Marvel in their histories. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. The being known as the Beyonder is, in fact, a young member of an. No one. the dunamis demiurgos is supposed to be a 1/half copy of the presence's power. The Beyonders have nothing to do with Pre Retcon Beyonder. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. (too many people use the word "hell" "asshole" and "bitch")Batman (just kidding) 10 years ago. She/Her. 4. The fact is, Michael and Lucifer are on LT's level. NOTHING. Beyonder's every retcon was stated to be this strong , no matter which one you are referring to. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. 7 years ago. #18 Edited By Kingant27. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. There's a difference. Is Pre-Retcon Beyonder more powerful than The One Above All? 57 results 1 2 #1 Edited By firewrkninja on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. 9 years ago. Beyonder needs some preparation. Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. Pre Retcon Beyonder would be accidentally retconned once more. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. Scans please? Also was it after Beyonder's Retcon? We can't powerscale old schoold characters from new school ones. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. Yes I'am aware of that but you to remeber that with the Inhuman Beyonder was that this retcon took him back to his Pre-Retcon roots and also everything Pre-Retcon Beyonder did is still cannon to. Origin: Marvel Comics. Pre Retcon Beyonder (Same reason as The Presence) Kami Tenchi (Once again, for similar reasons as The Presence) Archived post. Round 1: Pre Retcon. Fighting place: Dr. This was not just simply the power of Transcendence. #8. Lucifer Morningstar (with the Demiurgic Dunamis): Lucifer Morningstar traveling to Marvel multiverse towards know more about it and just traveling to events of. How you interpret that is irrelevant. The energy breached into reality during the accident that gave Owen his powers, but as there was no container, a large part of such energy wandered off into another universe, creating the Beyonder. Multi-Death 28. Beyonder is 1,000,000-2,000,000 times more powerful than an Infinitely Layered Multiverse based on the On-Panel direct estimate. At the height of his power, Pre-Retcon Beyonder gave everything that existed a few hours to continue existing before he wiped everything out. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). Powers are basically the same thing. We have an exact power level for Freezer at that point in the story as well, without needing to look at external sources. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. Yes, the Ivory Kings are retcon back inspirations to Pre Retcon Beyonder, but they are merely inspirations. Divine mystical enhancements granting near omnipotent abilities. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. The Beyonder was ALMOST killed by a Universe level attack. #1 Edited By XiiX. Something like "Weakest DC Villain that could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder" would be fine though. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. meaning that the AR is probably at the level of or maybe even above the true power of DC. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. Super Power Score and Level. edit2: One big gotcha I should mention. 1000 Tribunals and 1000 Eternitys wouldn't do jack against him. That said, outside of raw power I’d believe Lucifer could trick him or otherwise outwit him. •Beyonder is infinitely bigger than the whole multiverse [which has infinite number of universe in it] •Beyonder is infinitely powerful than all of multiverse combined. Didn't Comic God of Stories affected Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 7 days ago. show 3 replies . no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. It’s Lucifer vs PR Beyonder basically. And since he gave his power to. He is the central antagonist of the Battleworld arc in Season 4: Secret Wars. The. 111 results. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Pre-ret beyonder was collapsing parallel dimensions as a byproduct of deep conflicting thought, Thanos could probably achieve this seeing how he wiped the universe clean but Beyonder just seems. Goku is low outer at best and byonder is easily outerversal. Super Power Score and Level. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. CryptoWeaknesses. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. RRPanther • 7 mo. Creshosk. Cubey. 3. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. He got trick by low level being while Lucifer is the smartest and trickiest being so i say lucifer morningstar win this. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder. Scathan has decided he no longer "Approves" of the beyonders exsistance. The One Above All, as per the name is above all. Follow 15136. Orphic Zeus. show 3 replies . Omnipotence is true infinity where nothing can go beyond. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive. I really can't be asked to go. 0. Thanos Astral Regulator 19. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A Name:' The. here are the rules. . In Avengers Beyond #1, the Beyonder race was revealed to be created by Cal-Horra (clarified to be a creation of the Celestials in issues #4 – 5) and their power originated. 8 years ago. I know someone think that Victor means Cosmic cube not Beyonder pre-retcon ,but I think it's Beyonder pre-retcon. Lucifer is a different beast. MrStealYoSweetroll • 2 yr. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Definitely Beyonder. 140. It’s hard to grasp at this level, but I believe the Beyonder has far greater on screen feats, such as his battle with Molecule Man. Especially if they all team up on him. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. 7: Old Lord Thanos. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. It takes place in the astral plane that has infinite size. Hajun via feats and implied power. A powerful alien supervillain and master of all reality, Beyonder manipulated Loki Laufeyson (not realizing it was in fact Loki who manipulated him) into telling him of Earth's existence. Manhattan is super strong. 2. #28 ovy7. so that places a limit on his power. Archie Sonic vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 62 results; 1; 2; pr0d1gy. No prep and no knowledge. Also no Heart Of The Universe). HeartLesS 25 d . so what beyonder does that agianst guys 1000x their level. :Wiki. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. Unless you thought that this was IG Thanos and Post-Retcon Beyonder, in which case your assessment makes sense. Beyonder, very easily. Power Grid [27] Intelligence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Wiki Points. Sensing that the Beyonder is a power beyond the multiverse. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. ago. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. Solar Supercharge: Superman Prime One Million remained in Earth's sun, labelled as the "Super-Sun", for 15,000 years, increasing his abilities to unknown but presumably titanic levels. #3 JohanLiebert123. Thanks for that. 10 years ago. The Beyonders call the. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful. Pre retcon beyonder one shots all. Stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. Doom stated the LifeForce >>> the power of Beyonder. 9: Dr. You do not scale a boundless entity from its cosmology. Super Power Score and Level. Follow 4132. Superhuman Strength: Superman Prime One Million has the ability to physically lift humongous levels of weight, and deliver physical blows of colossal magnitudes. If Living Tribunal is infinite multiversal, Beyonder far transcends him, how are both infinite universal unless one is logically on a higher level of power. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. Belligerents: Composite Time Lords from Doctor Who and the Pre-retcon Beyonder from Marvel Comics. ) No Superman anything, gonna at least make this sorta interesting 2. And again, this requires their power to be bound, in a sense, such as when gods are unable to interact with the mortal plane directly and must work through agents there instead. The Beyonder stomps. Sorry. -. -One. when people talk about pre-retcon marvel like pre-retcon beyonder or pre-retcon molecule man what storyline was the retcon. Nope. bloodlisted. • 1 year ago. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. The only level higher than fiction is the reality, so unless you think 3812 is about to come into the real world he literally can't ascend above a comic character. The infinite Marvelverse was stated to be like a drop of water in an ocean compared to PR Beyonder's power. Eternity, Death, Living Tribunal, are all way more powerful than the Beyonder. VS. Featherine is way above than Beyonder. Molecule Man utterly in fear admitted that Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) is on levels unimaginable to him and self-stated that he cant Match Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) in power meaning that Beyonder was infinitely. Fight till death. Archived post. Making the Molecule Man a bomb created by said Beyonders for each reality. Dormamu Eternity Power 27. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Don't think God Thing's H4X compares. the_doctor. CryptoBrainiac, the highest level intellect in all of DC and the only villain to go out into the Source to find more information how things really are, says Myxzptlk's power of Imagination is infinite. 3. beyonder is just human level because he looks like a human. They have never adapted to PR Beyonder level power. Even we accept the retcon situation you defend,thats not a obstacle for Pre Retcon Beyonder and his Supreme power. Nejfelt • 2 yr. Lucifer Morningstar. I guess ill make some rules 1. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. 3 years ago deactivated-5f5be9e305dddThe Beyonder represents a power beyond all of them. Pre- Retcon Beyonder would not be that much powerful if he came now. Attack Potency: Varies (His power level varies heavily depending on his mental and emotional state, as well as the mental blocks he places upon his own mind - without even knowing) from Human level (Is an ordinary human sometimes, but his statistics tend to go up and down) to High Hyperverse level (Comparable to the Beyonder, being, depending. Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him. #2. Sppople. 21)Beyonder(Pre-retcon) 22)Elaine Belloc 23)Nyarlathotep The Rules: 1. Pre-Retcon Beyonder got overpowered by the Phoenix Force. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. Super Power Score and Level. Super Power Score and Level. 10 years ago JackKnightPR Beyonder's power was likened to an ocean while the Marvel Universe was said to be a drop of water in comparison. I think he wins this. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. " So, name someone. So I started a thread where we can debate the power that Beyonder had before he was retconned. #1 Omega48. "True Darkseid" or whatever you want to call him was threatening the muliverse due to the nature of his fall - not personal power. 8 years ago. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. May 26, 2023. SCP 3812 will just blink Pre Retcon Beyonder out of existence easily. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. Beyonder has way more hax, the Glory is literally non-sentient, and Beyonder has an extreme AP advantage, seeing as the Glory is only possibly baseline High 1-B, and Beyonder is well over 10,000,000 times more powerful than almost every High 1-B in Marvel. Beyonder snorts him. Follow. 66. He has the best battle feats, taking on the Celestials, the Molecule Man. I really can't be asked to go. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. Super Power Score and Level. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. We knew this but Galactus is less than a fly to Beyonder, this is after but one show of power from Beyonder. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Baby Beyonder. I'm not talking about the power he's given, but more so what's possible that's given to him. Beyonder is either: A. RRPanther • 7 mo. Battle for the Multiverse! The Beyonders & Thanos have teamed up to destroy The Beyonder & reclaim power over the Marvel Multiverse. Imagine that as a drop of water. I also added scans and references. The Beyonder is straight up more powerful than the character used as The One Above All's proxy. Molecule Man. The rest was necessary PIS to make a more interesting story. Which all adds up to TOAA FTW. Spectre. The answer is stupidly powerful, note the reason why he was retconed . Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Adaption. #2 Edited By Hulkman123. Even though most of Beyonder's feats in SW are still canon, Doom's statement could have *only* been in reference to POST-retcon (ie. Levels of power on the forum are determined for the most part by the feats shown by the combatants. 12984. Pre retcon Beyonder & MM > Lucifer Morningstar > The Endless. 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. So I might be missing something. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. Additional comment actions. Business, Economics, and Finance. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Otherwise there is. Doom get the drop on him and take his power. When Peter had Beyonder's powers for just a. -Everything in bleach. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. During most of the trial, he was a silent witness, holding Protege, the Beyonder, and the Guardians of the Galaxy, while the Tribunal, Eternity, and the Hawk God argued the case. Pre-retcon Beyonder was almost omnipotent. Beyonder at first during SW2 didnt even have a concept of life or death for a while and was even manipulated by normal people, by the end of SW2 he was more knowledgeable but to the basic comrepehension of stuff, Lucy on the other hand is one of the most cunning people in DC and with his power combined he should think of a way to beat PRB other. This was a level of power on par with the Universe itself. Pre-Retcon Beyonder should been banned because he's pretty much unbeatable, though I consider Pre-Retcon Molecule Man to be beatable so I used he for this thread. even though the aftermath of it still did for the mainstream universe. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). 6 years ago. He should win against Lucifer. Current Beyonder vs New 52 Spectre. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. which allows michael to ignore boundless narrative hierarchy and can create the concept to make new ones over and. Pre-retcon Molecule Man. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. He wouldn't be. PRB has a lot of showings that would suggest otherwise. Even Scarlet King could just literally fart Pre Retcon Beyonder out of existence. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. In that case, E would be 10. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing!Summary. These two interpretations are overpowered as hell, but they have their share of a few problems. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. Name: Beyonder Origin: Marvel Comics Gender: Appears male, in reality has no actual gender Classification: Cosmic being Age: Unknown (possibly older than the universe) Powers and Abilities: Massive multiversal-scale reality warping, shapeshifting, telepathy, soul manipulation, near-omniscience, immortality (type 5), immune to practically every. ] Planet Buster Tier: Able to destroy a planet [E. He is infinitely greater than everything in existance combined. Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him. Doom took the Beyonder's powers for a while, even with the Infinity Gauntlet Adam Warlock started to show off about his new found Godhood. Both HotU Thanos and PR Beyonder were vastly greater than LT. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. normal Round 2. Manhattan's league. ago. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. Beyonder doesn't have omniversal feats to even put him on an omniversal level, much less beyond omniversal level. 5 years. That's all there is to it. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. No prep everyone is at peak level all blood lusted to the death fight takes place in space. Someones who can ONESHOT multiverse > > > > > someones who. The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. Strange, Sorcerer Supreme 10: The In-Betweener. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. - Fight Scenario -. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. Pre retcon Beyonder isn't aware of doctor strange. GhostRavage. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. who universe. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. Forum Posts. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. 9. PR Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder due to how scared shitless they. JuliusTakalua. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). King_Saturn. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. Everybody bows down to Pre-retcon Beyonder. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. Forum Posts. Prepare for. 3: Pre-retcon Beyonder 4: Post-retcon Beyonders. But I no good enough knowing about Lucifer Morningstar . Round 3: Cosmic Armor Superman: CAS stomps. This is came from a Handbook that is for Cosmic Cube Beyonder but this Handbook is a reference to his ORIGINAL character for Beyonder in Secret Wars 1-2No struggle, no real story. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. Originally posted by galan7777777. Beyonder 39%. Deku remembers All Might then poof PRB is knocked out. The Beyonder is straight up more powerful than the character used as The One Above All's proxy. Text under CC-BY-SA licenseThe Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of. 1. Beyonder is called "Omnipotent" in all the. 0. - Neither. Imagion all he powers in the Marvel Multiverse (which is infinite), not just the Multiverse but also every being in it, and emptyness (which is also infinite) beyond it (blank pages) Even Stan Lee stated in an interview in the 80s, that Beyonder was supose to represent the power the writers had. 5: Molecule Man 6: Lifebringer Galactus. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. Why does the Beyonder look so cheesy.